Artist and professor Kumasi J. Barnett returns to the podcast to talk art, protest, and making work that cuts through the noise.Known for subverting classic comic book covers with raw, socially charged rewrites, Kumasi reflects on what’s changed since 2022—from running for office to teaching at Penn State. We talk about the realities of being a Black painter, creating in the shadow of systemic erasure, and why some truths hit harder in spandex.Why painting is the easy part—but being an artist is notRewriting comic canon to reflect modern injusticeTeaching art, parenting, and painting as a long gameWhy selling out isn't the flex many think it isWhat he’s planning next (spoiler: it's political)🎧 Revisit Kumasi’s first episode from 2022 for more context on his powerful comic-based series.

Multidisciplinary artist, researcher, and educator Joseph Cochran II returns for his second appearance on The Truth In This Art. Born and raised in East Harlem, Joseph’s practice spans photography, video, and archival work, focusing on the systems that define industrialized societies and the emotional toll of late capitalism.In this conversation, Joseph opens up about the years he spent living and working in China, rebuilding from personal loss, and how maintaining his identity shaped the way he navigates spaces abroad and at home. He reflects on the tension between financial survival and creative ethics, why he refuses to distance himself from the communities he comes from, and the emotional weight behind many of his images.This is a raw, thoughtful, and often funny dialogue about legacy, creative freedom, and what it means to stay grounded while moving through a world that often demands compromise.Highlights include:Learning to live without depending on art to make a living—and why that helped his practiceWhy staying connected to the streets isn’t just about authenticity, but accountabilityThe power of memory in his photographs—and why he remembers every shotThoughts on working in Shanghai, Brussels, and the Balkans while staying rooted in NYCUpcoming exhibition Public Work opening July 10 in New York🎧 Want more? Check out Joseph Cochran II’s first interview in the archive—where we talk about the early days of his work and life abroad. 

Artist and provocateur Brian Andrew Whiteley joins The Truth In This Art to talk about creating work that pushes buttons and blurs boundaries. Based in New York, Brian is known for his politically charged performances and installations—from the infamous Trump Tombstone to his leadership at the artist-run Satellite Art Show.In this wide-ranging conversation, Brian reflects on the early days of his work with creepy clown performances, how drawing comics sparked his creative journey, and why art that provokes discomfort can often spark the deepest conversations. He shares the legal and emotional fallout from controversial projects, what it means to stay committed to an experimental path, and how building spaces like Satellite offers artists a way out of the commercial art world’s rigid structure.This is an honest, funny, and layered dialogue about creative risk, censorship, and what it takes to build something outside the system.Highlights include:The story behind the Trump Tombstone—and how it led to a Secret Service investigationWhy embracing absurdity became central to his practiceBuilding Satellite Art Show as a true artist-first platformLearning to push past legal threats and backlash to stay true to his ideasWhy success isn’t about sales—it’s about freedom and community🎧 Want more? Explore the Satellite Art Show’s latest projects at satellite-show.com or follow Brian Andrew Whiteley on Instagram for updates on his work and exhibitions.

What happens when a typewriter becomes a tool for collective memory? In this episode, Rob Lee reconnects with interdisciplinary artist and activist Sheryl Oring—first featured on the podcast in 2023. Sheryl returns with updates on I Wish to Say, her decades-long public performance project where thousands have dictated postcards to the U.S. president. What began as a solo typewriter setup is now an evolving civic archive—and a way to resist censorship, document the moment, and hold space for unheard voices.This conversation follows a pivotal year for Sheryl—marked by the sudden closure of University of the Arts in Philadelphia—and explores how loss, listening, and literal paper trails have shaped her latest work.Resisting censorship: serving as the first artist on the board of the National Coalition Against CensorshipTyping on tour: collecting messages from parks, libraries, and campuses during an election yearAnalog permanence: archiving 5,000+ typewritten postcards and the invisible labor of cultural memoryPost-UArts Philly: navigating grief, disillusionment, and artistic renewal after institutional collapseFear and self-censorship: how public expression is shifting for immigrants, youth, and marginalized communitiesLibraries as sanctuary: preserving democratic space as book bans and closures escalateArt as care: on fermenting, gardening, and rituals that ground a life in transitionSheryl first appeared on The Truth in This Art in 2023—listen to that conversation [here].This episode was recorded during a season reflecting on archives, resilience, and artists working at the intersection of public space and democratic expression.

Director of Baltimore’s new Office of Arts, Culture, and Entertainment, Linzy Jackson III joins Rob Lee for his first appearance to discuss his journey from summer youth worker to one of the city’s key connectors between creatives and local government.In this episode, Linzy talks about what it means to streamline access to public resources, the cultural imprint of growing up in Baltimore, and his work tearing down red tape for artists and event organizers. He shares how early memories of AFRAM and MLK Day parades shaped his understanding of community engagement—and why cities like Philly and Austin are paying close attention to how Baltimore moves.We explore the long-term vision for Baltimore’s creative infrastructure and why Linzy believes artists shouldn’t need insider access to make things happen.Topics Covered:What equitable access to city support for artists really looks likeThe cultural impact of free festivals like Artscape and AFRAMCreating a more artist-friendly Baltimore through policy and planningLessons from sister cities and the value of inter-city collaborationWhy the city needs a “State of the Creative Community”🎧 Explore more conversations with Baltimore changemakers in our archive.📍 More on MOACE: baltimorecity.gov