Atlanta-based artist Lewinale Havette discusses her passion for art and the power of self-expression
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Rob Lee
And welcome to the truth in this art. I am your host, Rob Lee, and today I have the privilege of being in conversation with an Atlanta based artist. Please welcome Lewinal Havette that. Welcome to the podcast.
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Lewinal Havette
Hi, Rob. Thanks for having me. Thank you for welcoming me.
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Rob Lee
Absolutely. It's good to kind of branch out. You know, I'm up here in Baltimore doing my my thing in the mid-Atlantic. But as I can go down south, start to connect with people. So here.
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Lewinal Havette
We are. Yeah. You know, there's there's talent outside of New York and Boston and D.C. and places like that. It's good to venture out and see what else is out there. So could I see you for doing that?
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Rob Lee
Absolutely. And I think it's an opportunity to to bridge communities and lead to that exchange of, you know, maybe having folks coming up here to check and having folks going out there to check in, maybe to at least at a minimum, cool conversations come out of it.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, absolutely.
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Rob Lee
So before we get too deep into the story, you know, to the to the podcast, really, could you share your story and maybe your first memory of, you know, are your first memory where you like? I think I love art. Tell me about that.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah. Well, you know, the thing with art is that there's so much that goes into, you know, one, becoming an artist. You know, you get into the nature versus nurture debate. So I'm sure there are things that are unknown that kind of help me forge my path into becoming an artist. But the things that are known was that, you know, when I was younger, my parents and I traveled quite a bit from different countries, different country, and I wasn't always able to speak the language, you know, and having a language barrier, it's, it's it's difficult.
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Lewinal Havette
But I learned that with my art, I was able to communicate clearly, how I was able to help my schoolmates, you know, and friends kind of see me as more than just this foreigner, you know, as really human. And so I think it was from that, you know, from my earliest memory, all those times that I was able to say, you know, I think there's something to this.
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Lewinal Havette
Like, actually, this is a tool I can use to communicate how I am, how I feel. Being introverted is really difficult at times, but my heart is kind of a communication tool. So I think from that early age, I would say maybe about six years old around that time because when I decided that, you know, this is like a really cool thing.
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Rob Lee
So thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I think, you know, early on, recognizing that, as, you know, like I'm a little introverted as well and it's like, you know, which surprises people all the time. I was like, Oh, if you don't podcast.
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Lewinal Havette
People, yeah, people think introversion means that you you absolutely want to shut yourself out from the world. But there there's, you know, it's it's a skill. So it's, you know. Yes, yes.
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Rob Lee
It's like I can be like it's funny. It's like I always look at it as where the energy comes from. And, you know, I get energy, you know, from, you know, being able to maybe have a one on one conversation. I get a little bit more energy from that than speaking in front of an audience that's actually draining the energy.
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Rob Lee
It's like I'm burning through it is like when, you know, you have like, you know, when you're younger, you may have had a tour and you're like, this thing eats batteries. It just.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
That's what it is.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, yeah. Same. It's that's the that is the exact definition of introversion and extra energy is where you gain most of your energy from. So yeah, yes, you're spot on.
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Rob Lee
So you touched on a little bit. Is there a life experience that comes to mind that really like has crafted or shaped your creative sensibility?
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Lewinal Havette
Oh, yes. Yes. There is one extreme that comes to mind, a bit of that as well. But also, like I remember when I was when I was a little girl, we were born into a civil war. And I feel I've touched on this a bit, but I was born into a civil war in my country, in Liberia. And it's interesting the memories I have from that are mostly visual, and a lot of them are stories mostly visual things that kind of stay in the head.
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Lewinal Havette
And I think coming from that, I've always kind of been a bit different than a lot of my peers. And, you know, that ties back into, you know, the ability to be able to properly communicate or properly count as poor out what's on my head, what's in my head, what's on my mind. So I think that early, very, very early formative experience was kind of what shaped my my artistic sensibility.
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Lewinal Havette
And of course, other things throughout the years. But if I have to remember from the very beginning, I'll say those visuals, those images, those feelings that I had from being born into such a chaotic situation, I think definitely developed me in a different way.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, I have a I have a friend here locally. I think he moved up to Boston for school, but the artist name for his library as well. And as you remember, it was something that was coming up from our standpoint and people were like freaking out. And he was like, man, we had like we had like a war.
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Rob Lee
Again, this guy.
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Lewinal Havette
Was like, What are you going to war? Like, nothing else. I mean, that you frightening or deeper, like difficult anymore, you know, and just like. Yeah, what have you been through?
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Rob Lee
I know, but I can't get this grant.
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Lewinal Havette
Like, Oh, it's so funny.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, it's just like, it's all perspective, but I just look at people. Yeah, I just look at people like, because I'm like 30 and 37 or what have you. And, you know, I talk to people and it's say, wow, you don't have you have no idea what's going on near you, you know.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah. And it's like now it's all perspective. That's all right. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
So let's talk about your your current body of work. Let's like ultimately and this may sound gauche so forgive me, but I think is the broadest way of doing it. What is your what is your work about? And I got several bullet points, but at least want to start there.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, of course. All my work camps are currently I'm delving into oil painting. Before I was selling mixed media, my message tends to kind of remain the same, and it's all about discovering it in a power in our magic and using that magic and that power to kind of form. I mean, you can't you know, there's only a certain degree to which you can form your destiny, but kind of helping shape that.
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Lewinal Havette
The reason I focus a lot on inner power and in our magic is because, you know, again, going back to how I was born and where I was born, I kind of have that power taken away from you. Your life decided for you. Growing up, I had a very strict mother, a very religious father who was a minister.
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Lewinal Havette
And so most of my life I kind of had decisions made for me. Things were decided for me. And, you know, now as I become older, I'm, you know, searching for, you know, I have this, you know, kind of power now and freedom and things like that. But it's something that I don't take for granted because I haven't always had that.
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Lewinal Havette
And so a lot of my work deals with just exploring that inner that inner power, that inner dominance.
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Rob Lee
So and I think that's funny. That is great. This shows you that you've done an interview before. And because you're you're ahead of the curve right now, you actually took one of those bullet points. So shout out to you.
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Lewinal Havette
Okay. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
So if you will, could you, you know, talk about your process materials, techniques that you use to create your current work? And is there connection like between the message that you're putting out there and maybe the mode or the the materials that you're using?
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Lewinal Havette
Yes. So we'll start with the process. The process usually comes from a memory or a dream, a feeling artist, a desire to kind of kind of talk about something that I'm having difficulty expressing in words. So typically starts there, you know, with I guess you would call that inspiration. And then with my process, I'm sorry, with the so the connection between the way I create my art and, and I guess my inspiration, the materials I use.
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Lewinal Havette
Yes, I will say oil painting definitely has more fluidity and freedom to it. And so I like that about it. I like that most times, but sometimes I don't because it's highly unpredictable. But I will say, you know, kind of having these random thoughts and these random feelings all kind of pulls from that because you really never know where it's going to go.
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Lewinal Havette
Right. There's only a certain extent that you can predict what's going to happen. Like I like the randomness of it, you know, and the way I create light, I start in the studio, I'm painting, you know, you just never quite know. My old work was based heavily based on photography, so I kind of always had an idea. But the oil is just kind of, you know, you just never know.
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Lewinal Havette
So I really like the unpredictable unpredictability of it. So I think that's the connection. It happens.
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Rob Lee
I like that and you're welcome. And I always kind of look for those opportunities where, you know, folks try to put this you mentioned that there is kind of you're not sure how it might go. It's a certain degree of not necessarily volatility, but I would use it as the placeholder. And it's like, this could go here, this could go there.
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Rob Lee
We're not quite sure I do that sometimes is is in this podcast, you know, like there there's some questions that sent over. But, you know, we could talk about cartoons for a half an hour if you want to. Yeah, exactly. You know, this is this is cool. And I've had people who would come on for an interview and they're like, hey, you know, do you want me to answer in soundbites?
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Rob Lee
Do you want me to have three minute answers? And I provide very little direction in that regard because I want something that feels like authentic and something that feels like natural and it's is an intuitiveness there and fact as we go through it. I like to try to edit as I'm going through and it's like, let's live craft.
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Rob Lee
It's almost as if someone's like life painting in front of an audience. Yeah.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
And so. So how did you know or what was the feelings that you had when you were like, okay, I'm going to take this. I think I want to approach, you know, art as as a career, as a this is going to take up a lot of my time. This is going to be a big part of my life.
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Rob Lee
The feelings that you had when you came to that realization and was there a sign, was there a suggestion maybe from a mentor or friend? Tell us about that.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah. So, you know, it's like my mother said. Little you've been an artist your entire life is interesting because when you try to do other things, which I have, I worked in corporate for the majority of of my working days, I would say you just never really quite feel fulfilled, even if your credit, your job, you know, even if you're doing what you have to do, you're just never quite you just never really quite know you're not fulfilled.
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Lewinal Havette
And I decided to become a full time artist. I was extremely nervous. I was hesitant. You know, you don't know because I didn't know anyone who was in art. It's like, how do you be and how how are you in art is, you know, what, what is that like? And so there is there was, you know, it was frightening, the most frightening.
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Lewinal Havette
But I was excited. And I think that excitement for me kind of took over and was no more empowering than, you know, the fear that I had or the the hesitation. And, you know, there were moments that were difficult as well, starting in small businesses, because that's what I consider being an artist is having your own business. Right.
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Lewinal Havette
But it was just that thing like, this is what I'm going to do. My husband is actually the one who was like, you know, he's because personality is very different than mine, which is a great thing because it helps me to stay balanced. But he was like, What do you want to do? Like, what do you actually want to do?
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Lewinal Havette
I was actually working as so auto broker and then I graduated and started to work at the scene ourselves, partner in Art Gallery and he's like, What do you actually want to do? So cool. How to be an artist. But just saying and not really thinking like then just do it, you know, like just do it. And so that was the defining moment for me.
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Rob Lee
As great having that person that gives that nudge special of their close to say. Yeah exactly because it is people who will take a look back at maybe when I went to college and just someone told me actually I was in college, I was leaving to go for, you know, interviews. And and you get to that point where you're like, what am I going to do as a career?
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Rob Lee
And I just remember I went to like one of these career fairs, and I remember it was a recruiter from a big company, a big telecom company. It was like you were a marketing person. And I was like, Excuse me? Like she just like pointed me out like blue and, you know, I'm six foot four, so it's just like, oh yeah, you know, you, you do have a house.
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Rob Lee
And I found that that was kind of similar to when I made the choice of what school I wanted to go to for high school or what have you is kind of like these are those big decisions. And it really wasn't me choosing it, but it was just someone saying, You should do this. And that felt like some degree of empowerment, but it was people that didn't really know me.
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Rob Lee
So if someone came to me like, like now my partner, she'll say, Hey, you should do this. And having an idea and, and understanding those what I go through in it, what it takes and that trust that, oh, Rob said he's going to do this. So okay, I need to show up. I need to be there when he says I'm going to do a movie night or I'm going to do do this, or I'm going to do this series of interviews and giving feedback and context, that's when you get that trusted feedback from someone.
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Rob Lee
It feels really special.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah. Especially someone you trust.
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Rob Lee
Yeah.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
So how would you describe your artistic approach? Like, you know, when you're you're when you're looking at like something like, let's say, even as a viewer, right? Because I think once we start doing something for a while, like I was with us with a friend earlier who makes empanadas, right? And we went to a restaurant and tried someone else's empanadas.
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Rob Lee
And it's a completely different vibe if you're just just trying as I'm hungry versus I'm trying this for research and comparison.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, yeah. The critical.
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Rob Lee
Standpoint.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
So how, how has your approach maybe shifted or how you maybe consume media, maybe how you consume things that can potentially impact how you do your work? How's your approach really changed since you've gone into a more full time role as an artist?
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Lewinal Havette
Very interesting. Very good question. I am very particular about the media I consume, about the books I read about, you know, the movies I watch music, I listen to jazz because it's interesting. I hope it's turn that are both for the sake of my papa as I'll just use it to. Art tends to influence how I make my art.
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Lewinal Havette
And if I see something that is not necessarily how I want I work to go. It tends to stay with me and stays with me and it shows up my work in a way. I'm very, very and it's interesting. The more I create, the more I become this way. Very particular about the movies I watch as well. I tend to like now only want to watch like indie films and like festivals.
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Lewinal Havette
They can like go like the bars is like you've become a film star. I'm like, very much so. But, you know, it's not because, you know, it's it's because I have to be careful about what I am just, you know, because it comes out later in my work. And so with that, I'm very open to books. I read very particular about that.
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Lewinal Havette
Well, my approach sometimes, you know, after I've got my thoughts, those inspiration and things like that, sometimes it's smooth. Sometimes I can just go in my studio and work in cycles and it's like I've completed a piece in the day. Sometimes it's like I have to struggle, right? It's like a storm. I have to go back and rework it and I'll go through these moments of hating it and loving it and crying and screaming and being happy.
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Lewinal Havette
And, you know, it is interesting and very interesting.
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Rob Lee
You know, we're sensitive.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, we're very sensitive. Yeah. Oh, yes, absolutely.
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Rob Lee
I'm looking and I've been recording from my my home studio right now and I'm looking at a few paintings that I did. I had this goal back in 2016. I didn't complete it, but it is going with 2016. I'm doing one painting per month and just seeing if I could do it, because I used to paint murals when I was a lot younger and I had picked up like a paintbrush in like 15, maybe closer to 20 years.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
And I was just like, let's just see what I get. And I'm looking at one in particular was it was, it was weird. It was about like it was just feelings on a canvas, right? Um, but it has the color and some of the imagery from the low end theory, Top Tribe Called Quest album. And I'm like, Huh?
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Rob Lee
Why did I choose that? Wow. Was that.
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Lewinal Havette
Online? Yeah. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
So definitely being cognizant of what you're consuming and what it is, it's almost like this vibe of garbage in garbage out, garbage out.
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Lewinal Havette
And also the people you you surround yourself with, you know, there to come. You know, I have moments where I have to shut off everything, pull myself away from people, you know, not in, you know, negative way, but it just I have to, like, just be alone because I can't have any kind of distractions or influences or things like that.
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Lewinal Havette
So this is a very it's a very sensitive process.
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Rob Lee
It is funny that you kind of moved into that because I wrote a question that you don't have that relates to that, which is really funny. Oh, so, so I know that, you know, it's that cliquish, right? But I know that I don't hang around a lot of podcasters, but I do hang around artists and chefs and things of that sort.
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Rob Lee
So do you hang around any artists? And if so, what are the benefits? If you found of hanging around artists or hanging out with artists or creative types? Like is it conversation that you're like, Oh, you go through that? Is it a sounding board? Tell me about those sorts of instances.
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Lewinal Havette
Relying on artists, I tend to like to hang around artists who I consider to be more events than I am. So they've been doing it for like ten, 15, 20 years longer than I have because I need that inspiration, I need that critique, I need that feedback. And so I, I don't have a large group of friends. I have a few friends, and I like that because I can really maintain the relationships.
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Lewinal Havette
But yeah, they're, they're, they're, they, they serve as mentors. You know, we feed off each other. They help me. I help them. No know the word, you know, help me, you know, just talk about our process, what we're working on at the moment and just kind of inspiring each other in that way. And so, yes, I do enjoy having and they're not always just visual artists, right?
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Lewinal Havette
I enjoy I enjoy having a group of creatives, just creative people and not always, you know, sometimes you kind of need like the practical one a little bit colorful, helps, you know, get back down to earth and figure out how things truly work. Yes. So so I think it's good to have a good balance of both types of people.
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Rob Lee
That balance is important. Balance is so important. I've used the terminology. You have y people and you have how people eat. You have people who are like visionaries, mediators. I think that I'm more of that. LANE But when it comes to the detail, sometimes that could be a bit of a bit of a bit of an issue for me because it's like, hey, I'm too busy doing great things.
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Rob Lee
Oh, really? I got to eat food in that.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, exactly. Drink water. What do you mean.
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Rob Lee
This is water? You speak up.
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Lewinal Havette
The sleeping speaker.
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Rob Lee
Right? This time, obviously. McGrady, Mad.
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Lewinal Havette
Dog.
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Rob Lee
Oh, which. Which part of the creative process do you enjoy most and which one do you enjoy the least? And why would that be the case?
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Lewinal Havette
Oh, I will say, you know, completing a piece, truly completing a piece and say, okay, yes, this piece is finished for me is the part that I enjoyed the most the least, just having to wrestle with it, you know. And I find that I'm having to wrestle a lot with oil painting. There's just I mean, you can just go you can go anywhere with it, right?
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Lewinal Havette
It's just, you know, sometimes you're like, oh, you start like, I really love this piece. It's going to be great. And then you stop and you're like, Oh, I hate this. And then you go back and see what I can do to, you know, and it's just like just going back and forth. That has to be my least favorite part of the process, just because it can be draining, you know, it's going to be like and sometimes the work is great, but you just don't see it either.
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Lewinal Havette
You've been looking at it for too long, you know? So sometimes it's good to just kind of step away and not not look at it for a few days and come back and things like that. But yeah, having to wrestle with the work is definitely my least, least favorite bit of the process.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, I had the same thing, sort of like this, doing this and really being very sensitive about what I was putting out there and what I would go through and look for everything in a podcast. And I would recognize that it was taking it'll take it away from what the the ethos. I guess I feel so pretentious talking like this, but it would take away from what the ultimate what the goal is of having a conversation.
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Rob Lee
And a conversation has imperfections and it has.
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Lewinal Havette
But the beauty of it.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, absolutely. So it's just like, do I want to sacrifice what this actually is for something that feels super polished and super edited? It's like going back to what you were you were touching on and, you know, movies I watch movies and I'm a bit of a movie snob and I sometimes can see where it's like that was a bad at it right there.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, exactly. It's like, what's up with that? Like, what's up with those colored theories and up with that dialog? Yeah.
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Rob Lee
Well, so I got two more real questions and then even you even you all you get the you get the Rapidfire questions as well. So you'll have a couple of those towards the end. But does your work fall closer to passion or curiosity and why?
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Lewinal Havette
It's always passion is always passion for me. I cannot remember a time where my work was about curiosity, and maybe that might change in the future, but for me it is always about passion. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
Lastly, how do you see your work developing over the course of the next year or so?
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Lewinal Havette
That's I'm going to keep exploring more painting for at least a year. I would say my venture into sculpting and different forms of of art making, because I do enjoy that not remaining constant and not having to just do one kind of one media or one form of visual art making for a long time, but at some point exploring sculpture.
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Lewinal Havette
But I think I'm going to stick with oils for, for a fair bit, you know, until I feel like I really want to move on to something else. But for now, oil painting. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
And I think that that actually might be in pardon me if, if, if this comes off in the wrong way, but that might actually be where the curiosity is, that.
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Lewinal Havette
It might be.
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Rob Lee
You know, kind of extending and trying out different methods and different styles because, you know, I think if you're saying, oh, I'm going, it is forbidden, you know, try that. It's like, oh, you're you're going after this. I like it. I like it here. And it's like degree of difficulty.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah. Yeah. It's a good challenge. I like a good challenge. So, you know.
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Rob Lee
It helps you. It helps you determine where your limits are at and.
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Lewinal Havette
Learn more about yourself.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, and it's very rare, but I you know, there are sometimes where I'll write questions and I'm like, I need to have questions, right? Where, you know, the guests are like, Oh, I'll just wing it. I was like, Sure, because some of these requires some thought. Yeah, I got it. Come as like, maybe you're really good at it.
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Rob Lee
But some people I find they have a little bit more of a weighted head about things. It's like, yeah, really good thing you're, you're not going to get it out. Yeah. So I want to hit you with some rapid fire questions. I got a couple of them for you. They're. They're fun. Yeah, I think. I think you'll get a kick out of them.
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Rob Lee
I'm going to start off with this question. It's music related. If your artwork were music, what would its genre be? Cool.
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Lewinal Havette
Oh, my artwork with music, but what is? John Robey I'm sure there's a name for this and part of me, but I can't think of it. But it's, there's like a genre where it's like kind of undefined. It's kind of new age, kind of not like it's not hip hop, it's not country, it's not rock electronic. It's just like a new kind of thing.
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Lewinal Havette
I don't know. I mean, I just don't think it fits into a category. That's the thing. That's the thing about it. Sometimes I'm creating and I'm totally in like this rock metal mood and sometimes I'm in like a hip hop mood. Sometimes I'm in like a smooth kind of, you know, like R&B mood. It just it just really depends.
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Lewinal Havette
You know, it's is hard to categorize. Sorry about. It's an answer.
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Rob Lee
Your question. No, no, I think is I think it's interesting to see like kind of how people reframe what they do like. Yeah, I the question it used to be like from a personality standpoint, which genre of music do you relate to most? And yeah, and I had to like switch it like to maybe someone's work. But I think when I'm like working on questions or if I'm editing or whatever I'm doing pertaining to my sort of work, I'm playing something and they'll say, If I'm coding for sake of argument, I am listening to something with no lyrics.
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Rob Lee
It might be some hard bop jazz, it might be something that's electronic, it might be movie scores.
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Lewinal Havette
Always different. Yeah, it's always different.
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Rob Lee
But do you have a favorite number? And if so, does it have any significance or meaning?
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Lewinal Havette
So I have research, probably the number three. So does it have significance or meaning? No, but I like the way it makes me feel.
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Rob Lee
The significance. The meaning?
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. The number three.
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Rob Lee
And what's your go to snack like? You had that moment where you're like, all right, I need to eat something begrudgingly. And what is that? That go to snack for you.
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Lewinal Havette
Olives at the moment.
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Rob Lee
Okay.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah.
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Rob Lee
It's yeah it's probably like for me, like a Rice Krispie treat and a Topo Chico.
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Lewinal Havette
Oh, yeah.
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Rob Lee
Yeah. I'm one of those guys. It's just spicy water and bricks of carbs. That's just what I is.
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Lewinal Havette
Yeah, I'm totally into all of that. I don't know what it is, but I'm just, like, super into all this right now.
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Rob Lee
Uh, let's see. I got two more for you. What are your three most used colors in your palette? Like? You know, there are certain colors that you're using. And why would you use those colors? What commonly comes up in your work.
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Lewinal Havette
At the moment? Red and yellow and a bit of teal or blue. And interesting, because before I was using a color palette, now I'm using a warmer palette. How would you signify intensity? It's interesting. I tend to constantly be drawn to those colors and I try to and draw from try other colors in my work. But I just I'm constantly drawn to these more and more color.
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Lewinal Havette
So, yeah, those are the colors.
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Rob Lee
Thank you. And lastly, words matter, right? And you can frame this as I feel like you might be a bit of a polyglot, I'm not sure, but I get that vibe. What, in your opinion, is, is the most powerful word I love.
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Lewinal Havette
Like, I mean, for a lot of work. Yeah.
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Rob Lee
100%. So that's pretty much it. That's all the questions that I have. You you've done well. We've gotten through it. And we've we've had a great at least I've had a great time. I want to thank you I want to thank you for being on this podcast. And I want to invite and encourage you to share with the listeners where they can check your workout website.
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Rob Lee
Social media, the floor is yours.
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Lewinal Havette
Okay, so my Instagram I'll start. My social media is my first name, which is l e w I am a l e millennial. My website is the same long outcome, so that's pretty much it. Just type in my name, you'll find all the information.
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Rob Lee
So there you have it, folks. I want to thank Lewinal Havette for coming on to the podcast. And I'm Rob Lee saying that there is art and artists in and around your neck of the woods. You just got to look for.
