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Rob Lee
Welcome to the Truth in this art. I am your host, Rob Lee. And today I have the privilege of being in conversation with a Baltimore based. I'm going to say that in inverted commas. Baltimore based. Multi, multi artist. Currently living in Tokyo, Japan. So expressing through music, photography, video poetry, traditional and digital art and a little bit of some some some bedroom dancing.
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Rob Lee
Please welcome Hannah Cugle Welcome to the podcast.
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I thank you for having me.
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Rob Lee
Thank you for for popping on. I mean, I'm quasi, like, envious that you're in the place where I want to be at. So, you know, shout out to you on that.
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Yes. They're open for tourists now, though, finally after years. So now now's your chance.
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Rob Lee
So, yeah, make space for huge, like, you know, like black zip. Never mind. So with that, I want to. I want to open it up with something that some people have a challenge in talking about. And some people are like, Oh, I love talking about myself. So could you share your story and ultimately, like, you know, include where you grew up in what prompted the move from Baltimore to Tokyo?
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Rob Lee
Let's talk about that.
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All right. Absolutely. So I grew up in Baltimore County. Hmm. Let's say I grew up in Baltimore County. And I've just I've always been into everything. I've always been into it since I was a child. So I loved music, anime, photography, drawing, art in general my entire life, throughout my childhood. And I got into working as a photographer for quite some time in Baltimore, and I really enjoyed it.
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But the workload was a lot for me and that kind of prompted my move to Japan. For right now, I never got to meet my dad's side of the family, so I am part Japanese, so I kind of wanted to explore some of my culture. So in order to take a break from work and life, I sort of just made the decision a couple of years back to save up and kind of just come here for at least a year and just get away from everything I knew and kind of just start over and see where this takes me.
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Have a have a nice break. Not a week or two of vacation here that I needed a complete reset. And I felt like this was the thing that I really wanted to do. So I did that now.
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Rob Lee
Yeah. Thank, thank you for for sharing that and yeah. Making that, that real commitment to going to a place like a on occasion, I think about leaving Baltimore and seeing, you know, in a true sense, not like like you said, like, you know, not a week, not anything. And not an extended staycation, but like really like committing to like this is what my normal is going to be for years.
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Rob Lee
So, you know, I would imagine that there are certain changes and differences, you know, having the interest that I would imagine before going there. But what were some of the changes that or difference is the biggest difference is that that you experience going there, I would imagine, you know, maybe language. I'm not sure. But tell me about that.
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Definitely language. There is a language barrier, but I am learning the language so I can kind of communicate a little bit. It's a huge change. I feel like a lot of people have these big dreams to do stuff like this and then they don't do it because it it takes a lot of effort and kind of facing fears and, you know, you're stepping into something that you have no idea what's going to happen, like as you're going.
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So coming here, not really knowing anyone, I had one friend that was here that ended up leaving very early on after I got here. So being alone is probably the biggest thing I've faced that is very different. Being here and being okay, being alone, you know, having your own space, doing your day to day things and not having anybody that's very close to you and still feeling safe, just being in your own company and that was one of the biggest things I really wanted to work on while I was here.
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Because, you know, back in Baltimore, I had all my friends, I had all of my family, you know, I could lean on anyone. I could, you know, continuously, like, be around and talk to everyone. So coming here was more like finding myself, being with myself and kind of being able to trust myself. Yeah, but the language barrier really, really helped me, but also so it's very alienating, but I mentally prepared for this to be like that.
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But I love it here. It's it's great. And, you know, once you do catch on to the language, it helps a lot. And there are also a lot of very great foreigners here. Yeah, a lot of great artists, of course, in Tokyo, you know, there's a great art and music scene for sure. So that is very comforting to be meeting a lot of other artists as well.
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Rob Lee
I would imagine I'm kind of getting used to all of the robots walking around. It's a thing as well. So, so as an artist that is in multiple disciplines, right? You know, expressing through, you know, music, photography, video, digital art, what feelings ultimately are you trying to express in a given medium?
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I love this question. I really love this question. I trying to express everything. I feel like all of my work is just introspect. So it's a constant cycle of existence. Like I'm just trying to express my personal existence and putting it into forms of art and hoping that it makes people feel what I was feeling in those moments, regardless of the emotions I'm trying to pull out.
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And I think it's very important to accept and like, yeah, to accept all of the emotions that you can feel as a person because you know, they're all very important. So definitely, yeah, it's very introspective, but I definitely just trying to convey that living is a very best.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, it's the thing where people are like, Oh yeah, well, I want to talk about being in love is like, That's cool. But I also want to talk about like days that like kind of suck or, you know, it makes it relatable and it makes it something that's accessible as well because, you know, I joke on occasion, never had a bad day, no bad days, no losses, never lost.
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Rob Lee
And it's like, no, there are some times.
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Hannah Cugle
Where it sucks.
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Yeah, exactly. For sure. It's definitely about it's been it's being vulnerable. It's being extremely vulnerable in the sense of like there are emotions that make people very uncomfortable, but they are normal and it is okay to have them. And I really want to be able to connect through that with people so people can understand that, you know, it's just a part of your experience and it's totally fine to have bad days.
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It's good to have bad days because you can't have good days without them.
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Rob Lee
So so who and I think you touched on this a little bit about some of those kind of like early loves in terms of remember animation will animate, pop it out and things of that sort. But who are what are some of those influences for you?
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I guess the longest obsession I have is Pokémon Heist. I don't think I'll ever over not love Pokémon, but that's my number one. I honestly pull inspiration from everything around me. I think when I was younger I was just really enjoying life and I know a lot of people throughout growing up kind of struggle with self-identity and kind of being judged.
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I didn't have that as much as younger, like I definitely got picked on and stuff, but I didn't really understand judgment. And within that, I kind of let me be a little bit fearless for a while. So I really didn't put myself in a box and and I pulled inspiration from everything, absolutely anything and everything. I never really hated anything.
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I kind of just saw everything for what it was. And I think that's a really good view, especially as you get older and you are shoved in boxes to kind of get back to Yeah.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, I would imagine I used to, you know, because we all have that different experience of people trying to bully us or whatever. And I'm feeling that I'm a bigger person, but people still try to like bully me. I was always like the big kid in class and I would be looked at as like, Oh, that's the prize box to take down.
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Rob Lee
Like, if I could bully him, then I've done something. But I was just like only interested in being bullied. I was like.
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Hannah Cugle
This is what you're drawn.
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Rob Lee
This is what you're Oh, really? That's what you want to do now.
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So I didn't understand it personally. I was just like, what? Like, are you okay? Because yeah, I was just a weird little kid. I was, like, obsessed with bugs. I loved walking outside. Like, I just. I loved what I loved. And it never really dawned on me that people like, were picking on me in the first place. So I guess I was a really good, good thing.
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But like, in retrospect, I'm like looking back and I'm like, Oh, they were picking on me like, oh, okay.
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Hannah Cugle
So, so for you, what.
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Rob Lee
Was your creatively what was your your first love like? You know, for me, this this wasn't the thing initially like podcast. And I kind of came to this when I was, you know, in those sort of formative years, I was maybe 14, maybe 13 or 14 when I first started, like recording conversations or what have you. I wanted to be an illustrator that was like that first love for me illustration.
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Rob Lee
So what was that first love for you?
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Music. Hands down music. I really didn't understand art when I was younger. I just liked what I liked. And my mom would always be like, Oh, they're an artist. And I didn't understand that term because I was just like, I just like doing what I like. But overall, my number one is absolutely, absolutely music. It's the one thing I feel like I can fully express and really just be 100% myself.
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Rob Lee
And so in working in multiple mediums, does, does one medium maybe serve another one? How, how do they kind of work in how do they marry together, if at all? Like I always look at it like this, like I'm of two minds, like I do, you know, data, I'm going to data analyst in my day job and somehow that you know, that knowledge and data helps me maybe come up with how I'm going to approach strategically my work and you know, working as a facilitator, if you will, a storytelling.
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Rob Lee
I could actually storytelling the data maybe put it in a way that's digestible. So in your interest lie, how did they kind of align and maybe serve each other?
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I guess as far as visual arts, the photography and like the drawing and the digital art kind of overlap because, you know, it's, it's all a visual process. And that does help me with with creation. And then I guess the biggest thing is I really enjoy jumping between my mediums because I and I use them differently. Music is a very emotional thing for me to talk.
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Graffiti is a I get my body up and out and moving and going somewhere and like exploring and that's very important to me. And then sitting down and drawing and doing digital art that can either be something that is very passive and simple, or I'm also doing emotional work through drawing and then of course poetry. You know, I'm sorting out my mind so it's just depending on how I want to be expressing it and like how I'm feeling.
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Rob Lee
Gotcha, gotcha. That's that's good. I like to see how those things kind of work together, where I say, Oh, when someone has a fully realized vision, it's like, Yeah, you know, I have some background in digital art or what have you, which gives me an eye for my album cover, or maybe how I want a video shot or what have you.
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Oh, for sure. Yeah. They all go hand in hand and I'm always somehow overlapping them in some type of way and trying to use them all to my advantage for yeah. For each other.
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Rob Lee
So I read this quote about the comparison kills creativity. That sounds like a rap line. Do you agree with that? And if so, how do you combat it? And what sort of behaviors come to mind and where that impact of your creativity?
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Oh, man. Okay. Yes. 100 present. That that is such a huge thing that I've fallen into that I haven't experienced for a very long time. But now I do experience because of the social media, you know, when you're following a ton of other artists and you know, they're pumping out a bunch of like work, that's terrifying. You feel like you have to catch up to something, you know?
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And I think the biggest thing to reel it back is to remember why you're creating in the first place. And that's that's that's that's it. You know, why are you creating there is no there's no timeline for you to be doing something. And I get caught in feeling like I need to work very quickly and have a lot of turnaround instead of enjoying the process and enjoying the process is the most important part.
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So I definitely try to stay off of social media when I'm feeling like a little too sped up, like feeling like I need to be on a time timeline.
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Rob Lee
And do you feel that? And I and I agree with that, by the way, like a lot, because I think I don't know how much is talked about, but my belief is this, that we're creatively and I'm and I'm putting the lowercase and almost a dotted line when I include myself in the we. But there's expectation that the users on social media are putting out that content.
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Rob Lee
And for people who are creators, there's a devaluation of what you're creating. So if you look at Instagram, right, it was a photo sharing site and now they don't care about photos. So you got to do video and it's like you could fall into that trap of my work isn't as valid or I need to pump this stuff out and it has nothing to do with your peers or even how you value it is by some algorithm made by some faceless person who may not know anything about art or anything about creativity.
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Rob Lee
But to market yourself in a way, or to have people aware of your work in some regards, it is net necessity.
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Absolutely. And I think that's the biggest thing I struggle with. I am terrible at maintaining social media for for my craft because, you know, I do a lot of different things. I'm not putting all of my efforts into one specific thing. And I don't want to give that up. I don't I don't want to make a social media page where I am only portraying my wins.
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And like a product, I'm not a product. I'm a human. And I want to stick to that. I think that's my biggest goal within being an artist. I don't want to be a niche artist. I really don't. I just want to be able to be outside of the box and be confident with that and stick with that. I don't really want to want an arrow myself and to into just one thing.
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Yeah.
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Rob Lee
And I think people around us like when you hear someone who the people that come to mind or I mean he's super deprecated, nearly canceled or completely canceled. But I think of, you know, Kanye West to a degree. But I really start looking at like another person that's canceled, I guess, James Franco a little bit. But, you know, Donald Glover of there are multiple things that these people are interested in that and it definitely has a sort of like artistic lens to it that I want to be able to do this.
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Rob Lee
And now I have the, the resources to do it and make this idea actionable, whether it is I want to direct or I want to make a music video or I want to do clothing and or shoes and so on and so forth, and people they like people who are polymaths. But I want to see you kind of work hard for it and see you kind of fail versus Yeah, sure wish me to do that.
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Rob Lee
And I think it's this sort of push that I think if we can if we can tap back into what it was or what it felt like to be a kid, to not really have those restrictions that are baked in, it's really it feels really good. It feels really good. It's like I'm just doing my thing. And you know what everyone is pursuing.
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Rob Lee
Like, I tell people on this podcast at a time at times that I'm just looking for friends, you know? And if that is what it is, and I'm able to do that through having conversations through this medium, then I'm not trying to do anything. That's the thing that guides me. It brings me back. It's like, Am I interested in talking to this person about their work and about what goes into their work that makes it work?
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Rob Lee
That that's a lot of work.
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Hannah Cugle
And.
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I agree with that so much. Yeah, it's it's so difficult because people, you know, the way society is now and the way media is portrayed is that everything is so digestible and so quick and it's hard to digest somebody that is being someone. And that's something. So by I'm in the same boat with you, I'm just trying to have good connections with people and just like have a good time, you know, and just live and learn and not feel stressed about needing to be some type of product.
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Rob Lee
Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I would look back at why I got started with it and always trying to like find things that are more similar versus things that are different. And you know, look at why I got started in podcasting overall and I coming up on 14 years of doing it where I thought like, you know, I had these weird news stories.
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Rob Lee
That was where I started and I was like, This is interesting. Let me share that with someone. And it's now kind of morphed into this podcast where it's like, I think this person is interesting. How can I help them share their story? I think that these people are doing interesting things. How can we position what they're doing and in a way that people can become a more of aware of it?
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Rob Lee
And I'm making it digestible, not saying, Oh yeah, well, here's a clip of a hot take that this person had and who cares? And a cool said this. Oh, you know, I don't know if I'm looking for that, but I think this is a way to get past in some some instances, maybe a way to get past that shyness that, you know, if I met you, like at a bar, at a bar and a place having a nice soda popper, Shirley Temple or something, I wouldn't I wouldn't be here to talk to you, but doing it with the glass in front of me is this glass of protection?
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Rob Lee
This is my anti kryptonite, if you will.
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For sure. Absolutely. No, I totally agree. I feel like this is a beautiful thing and I feel like I would want to do something like this because you're connecting with people, you know, you're getting to know people and in the way that you should. And being genuine for sure.
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Rob Lee
And I've tried to even with it, try to add this dynamic, which is why I have the rapid fire questions of, Yeah, we can talk about your work, but I want to go a little bit level, a deeper level in who's the person was that was the person into you like peanut butter, like chocolate magenta and really being able to add that extra thing.
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Rob Lee
And it was a it was an intentional effort not to present the person as a commodity, as a thing, but to show them as a person outside of your art, what are some of your interests and how do you like spending your so much of your spare time? Do you have so much? I would imagine.
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Oh, man, my my art is business interests. But I actually am in language school. So I do school Monday through Friday and it takes up a lot more time than I thought it would. And it's it's very stressful, but I do enjoy it. But outside of that, I really enjoy traveling. I really enjoy nature and hiking. Are unplugging.
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Unplugging from society is very, very important to me. It really is going out, going hiking, you know, no social media, just being what being alone with the phones, really just decompressing and grounding and remembering that you're just you're living. You're living and you're in your moments. And I really enjoy playing sports. Physical activity is important as mental and know just hanging out going shows a little bit of video games here and there really just a lot of decompressing things.
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Since the arts can get overwhelming sometimes, it's usually stuff that is more relaxing or supportive.
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Rob Lee
You playing.
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Soccer? Basketball? I will literally play anything though, but those are usually my top two. A little bit of Frisbee throw for throw the ball here and there.
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Rob Lee
But I mean, I feel like I want to go there and hang out with the salaryman just to feel like my day is easier and say, Oh, you guys are losing it, this is great. Pass the Sapporo, bro. The temperature there. Thanks.
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Yeah, it's. It's great. And then they get on the train and they fall asleep on your shoulder.
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Hannah Cugle
Just cause I need that spot.
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Rob Lee
For me right there. I'm salary man watching. Don't bother me. I'm having a great time.
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Oh, my gosh. Oh.
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Rob Lee
So let's, let's, let's step back in a little bit on a project. Let's say, you know, something that you're currently working on, right? Because I think that that's what we're currently working on as the most fresh thing. Right. So when you're when you came to this realization that you wanted to work on this project, whatever it is, whether it's working on a song, whether it is I'm doing some of series of photography, what have you, what is the first thing that you do, something that's in the middle of something towards the end that you feel like, All right, this is solid.
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Rob Lee
I've done my I've done my duty here.
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This is the most stressful question.
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Rob Lee
I'm sorry.
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I outside of my crafts, I am very, very organized within my crafts. It's a mess. It's an absolute mess when it comes to music, since that is more of an emotional expression. I when I'm feeling something, I simply do it. When I'm hearing a melody in my head, when I am feeling a beat, when I am, when I am just freestyling lyrics I will grab my phone, I will record it I Or if I'm on my laptop, I will open up my program and I will record it.
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And then I will go from there and I will let that flow as much as it can. That is always kind of like a state of mind thing. And then as far as photography, I really enjoy just going out and shooting. But I also do like setting up shoots and setting up lights and kind of giving it a very specific feel depending on what I'm shooting.
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So photography, if I'm working with somebody else, I definitely have like how we do this and then we do this and then we do this music. I will go at it from any angle. Absolutely an angle. And then as far as drawing that, it's also just like I feel like drawing, I'm going to draw something if it turns into a sketches and sketch, if I want to make it into a full piece, then I start planning a full piece.
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You know, I don't I don't really go into something having expectations because I feel like that kind of ruins the creative energy into a process. I don't want to feel like I need to have a finished product. I want it to happen over time. And then when I need to polish something, it's because it's already it already exists.
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So then I take it and kind of go from there.
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Rob Lee
Yeah, yeah. I think writing off of that is something that I've done more of and I feel more comfortable in it. And sometimes if I'm if I'm being honest, I'll look at like I want to do this interview. And sometimes it's very rare, but sometimes it will be an honest, you know, it's like, you know, I'm not fulfilling it.
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Rob Lee
And either if it's multiple interviews, I don't want it to carry over some way or if it's one. All right, I can get it up. You know that that sounds weird, but I can get it out and make it make it happen. But and if it's like three or four interviews and I'm already starting off that first one with the little men on it, now it's it's time to let it go.
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Rob Lee
And in other instances, you know, I'll get up and I'm like, this is idea that really excites me doing this sort of batch of interviews and doing it in this way. And I'm just going for it and I find like as a person who's an editor, that if I'm like, let me talk to somebody and share this with them, and then they just kind of piso will say, Hey, let's just freestyle.
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Rob Lee
We just freestyling and let's just bounce ideas. I'm like, Don't, don't kill it and waste it, you know? And that's that's the thing about fun and kind of one of the things you mention that kind of stuck out was like, you know, just kind of like riding. You have that idea. It's like, I want to see it to fruition.
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Rob Lee
I want to see it like, I've been on this recently. I have an idea and I know it's a good idea and I'll just tell it to somebody else. It's like, you do it. I just want it to happen. Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure. I never thought about doing that. Maybe. Yeah.
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Hannah Cugle
It's it's you know.
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When I get a girl, when I get over one, I'm just me like, Hey, I really want this to be done, but I'm got to do it.
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Rob Lee
Because I'm old. Because I'm old. I'm like, I need some.
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Hannah Cugle
Young.
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Rob Lee
I need some young soldier to do it. I'm like, Done. I'm like, Oh, it's over over here. You know, I got a soft spot, so I'm not going to finish that. So here's the last question I got for you before I get to those rapid fire questions that everyone loves so much, and I've added some updated some for you based on the conversation so far.
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Rob Lee
Yeah. Be afraid. Be very afraid to fly.
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Hannah Cugle
So what would be.
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Rob Lee
The the piece of advice for you that, you know, has has served you and you feel that may serve in an artist or person listening that is in that similar like like bucket or similar sort of spot or have like a similar experience that you have where, you know, you're, you're just creating, you're just making it happen and you're creating based off what you make.
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Rob Lee
Feel at a certain point was a piece of advice that you have that you want to share to the listeners.
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Oh my.
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Hannah Cugle
Gosh.
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The pressure.
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Hannah Cugle
And that's such thing as pressure. So it's all.
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Rob Lee
Good.
00;28;22;21 - 00;29;09;07
Just do it. Nike. All of it. Seriously, it's this is so hard. I don't know why this question is so hard. Oh, well, yeah, I prior to this, I jokingly take down we all die, just be nice. But life is very short, and I think it's worth it to be present within yourself and try your best to be mindful and present throughout and you know, make sure you're doing things the way you want to be doing them and be a good person.
00;29;09;15 - 00;29;29;07
Be compassionate, be nice, and make space. Everybody's living life and going through experiences and keeping that in mind. I think it's a lot easier to connect and have more purpose, you know, because everyone is different and that is okay and that's what makes everything beautiful.
00;29;30;03 - 00;29;35;15
Rob Lee
Well, it's or ten. Well said. Well, say give yourself some but give me some the power of back or that I was that.
00;29;35;15 - 00;29;35;19
Hannah Cugle
Or.
00;29;36;01 - 00;29;38;11
I didn't know what was going to come out of my mouth the entire time.
00;29;38;11 - 00;29;41;24
Hannah Cugle
But yeah, if people don't do.
00;29;41;24 - 00;30;03;14
Rob Lee
It at times, you know, I've got I've had two or three nasty grams this week about rescheduling the episodes and I was just like, I appreciate your time and I'm in. It's not a matter of me standing someone up. It's like stuff happens. We're still in a pandemic and it's like, Oh, well, you can't get sick. I was like, All right, you can take your 2000 followers elsewhere.
00;30;03;14 - 00;30;04;23
Rob Lee
I don't know if I need to.
00;30;04;23 - 00;30;05;06
Hannah Cugle
Talk to you.
00;30;05;12 - 00;30;23;17
Patient Yeah, Houston is key and if somebody not willing to be open to your communication, you know, that's not not really on you at that point. You can have a conversation about it, but coming to a conclusion instead of talking at each other and you know, instead of with each other, you know, that's kind of where it where it starts.
00;30;23;29 - 00;30;44;16
Rob Lee
Yeah. It's is very simple saying, look, we're here to have fun. We're here to have a cool conversation. Like, you know, I used to talk to people and part of it is me getting, I guess, more seasoned at doing this. That's like nothing's to worry about here. I'm not going to ask anybody anything that's like, yeah. So when you did this one painting, it was stupid.
00;30;44;16 - 00;31;08;08
Rob Lee
Tell me why. And I'm going to ask something like that. I'm just going to like you know, it's it's a it's a pretty neutral conversation. But really, I'm curious, that's literally what it is. And, you know, and part of that is you want people to feel good about what they do. And there is a is a court it's a curatorial sort of component to it where I'm not going to talk to someone I don't find at least surface level interesting.
00;31;08;08 - 00;31;24;21
Rob Lee
So yeah, what you are doing and what you do again and then kind of go from there. So I don't know. But with that I want to, I want to go into these rapid fire questions. I've changed all of the ones since we've been talking, because I had I have more details. You're cagey one. You're a very cagey individual.
00;31;25;08 - 00;31;47;18
Rob Lee
So I want to start off with I'm going to save the Pokémon question for last. There is a Pokémon question now, since I'm going to start it with so like this. So because the first time we tried to do this, you said, you know, it was Koogle I Google. So I'm going to ask you this question. Have you Googled yourself?
00;31;47;18 - 00;31;48;16
Oh, absolutely.
00;31;49;01 - 00;31;49;14
Hannah Cugle
Right.
00;31;49;25 - 00;31;51;05
Well, it doesn't Google themselves.
00;31;52;00 - 00;31;57;19
Rob Lee
I Google other people. I don't really Google myself. I'm nobody. I just kind of Google the people.
00;31;57;19 - 00;32;01;29
I got a little curious about.
00;32;01;29 - 00;32;06;29
Rob Lee
Are you more cautious or bold on that spectrum? Which one do you lean toward?
00;32;07;14 - 00;32;11;13
Hannah Cugle
Oh, no.
00;32;11;13 - 00;32;20;08
I got both. No, it's both. I'm very contradicting. I it's it's both.
00;32;20;08 - 00;32;27;14
Rob Lee
Okay. Now it's got to be a very Japanese oriented favorite Japanese snack.
00;32;28;14 - 00;32;29;08
Oh, no.
00;32;29;08 - 00;32;29;28
Hannah Cugle
Oh, God.
00;32;30;12 - 00;32;31;15
Rob Lee
I know, I know.
00;32;32;27 - 00;32;45;20
Oh, no. Currently, right now I since I'm so bad at this specifically. Right now, wasabi chips, they're called Chips Star. It's kind of like Pringles alternative, but I just really like spicy so.
00;32;46;13 - 00;33;00;22
Rob Lee
Okay, okay so I'm on the second is don't ticket whatever that that shipping rate is where am I to talk about that now? This is another one that's going to be challenging because I know favorites. I notice each was like, so what's this your favorite movie?
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Hannah Cugle
Oh.
00;33;02;20 - 00;33;03;16
Tekken Concrete.
00;33;04;07 - 00;33;05;08
Hannah Cugle
Okay. Have you?
00;33;05;08 - 00;33;08;24
Rob Lee
Yeah, I haven't. But you're giving me something to check into you. Me homework?
00;33;09;15 - 00;33;10;19
Hannah Cugle
Yes. Yes.
00;33;10;24 - 00;33;11;12
Really good.
00;33;11;26 - 00;33;19;09
Rob Lee
Uh hmm. What's a Japanese phrase that you overuse because you're you said you're, you know, learning a language and all good.
00;33;20;00 - 00;33;25;07
It's usually just high and semi massive.
00;33;25;07 - 00;33;25;15
Rob Lee
What does.
00;33;25;15 - 00;33;29;14
That mean? Yes. And excuse me or I'm sorry.
00;33;30;06 - 00;33;30;15
Hannah Cugle
Okay.
00;33;31;04 - 00;33;33;21
Rob Lee
I just I just say Roboto a lot, you know, just try to.
00;33;34;03 - 00;33;35;19
Hannah Cugle
You know, to sort of button.
00;33;37;04 - 00;33;53;26
Rob Lee
Well, my name is close to it, though. I was like, yo, Karen. So Sapporo ichi, H-bomb number one. I was like, you're you didn't you didn't get passive one or one, did you not even oh one. Well I now it's time for the Pokémon question.
00;33;54;15 - 00;33;54;20
Hannah Cugle
Oh.
00;33;56;07 - 00;34;01;11
Rob Lee
Okay. So you have three Pokémon. Who what are they now.
00;34;01;20 - 00;34;02;00
Hannah Cugle
Yeah.
00;34;02;14 - 00;34;03;00
No.
00;34;03;05 - 00;34;03;17
Hannah Cugle
Yes.
00;34;04;15 - 00;34;07;03
I came here for a good time, not a stressful time.
00;34;08;12 - 00;34;13;06
Rob Lee
Then and I saying they had to be your only. But you know, you're, you're still.
00;34;13;06 - 00;34;14;23
In flying like a top three.
00;34;15;19 - 00;34;15;29
Hannah Cugle
No.
00;34;16;11 - 00;34;20;12
Rob Lee
Okay, this is true. But you can't pick all of them though.
00;34;21;22 - 00;34;23;10
Hannah Cugle
What? I know, I know.
00;34;24;15 - 00;34;42;03
Rob Lee
Oh, okay. Okay. I'll make it easier for you. What is your astrological sign? And now back to Pokémon question in that Virgo. That's okay. Earth's on to something, right? Yeah I three rock Pokémon.
00;34;42;03 - 00;34;54;23
Hannah Cugle
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, let's just go blow one one type.
00;34;54;23 - 00;34;55;09
I don't want.
00;34;55;09 - 00;34;55;11
Hannah Cugle
To.
00;34;56;06 - 00;35;06;00
Rob Lee
Okay, okay. I'm a I'm a water sign. I'm going to queries. Right. So you are asking a rather so but water is part of it. Three Pokémon that are not rock vocal.
00;35;07;12 - 00;35;25;02
Oh, my God, I can't. All right, hold up. Let's roll it back. I'm relative back to just three days ago. I'm going to go with. Right? Yeah. I love my owl exam. I'm sticking to the originals right now to make it easier for myself.
00;35;25;21 - 00;35;32;08
Hannah Cugle
Oh. Oh, God, no.
00;35;32;17 - 00;35;41;11
I'm not. I love them all. I really do. All right, let's all go. There.
00;35;42;21 - 00;35;44;08
Hannah Cugle
I got go.
00;35;44;09 - 00;35;59;08
Do you know the reason why I don't want to answer this? Because now I feel like I'm going to be judged and I'm going to be judged in a way where people don't know me. And this is like this is a big topic for me and it's like it's me. But it's also not the.
00;36;00;11 - 00;36;01;09
Rob Lee
Issue at the moment.
00;36;01;23 - 00;36;02;25
Hannah Cugle
At the moment, yeah.
00;36;03;02 - 00;36;04;00
Well, on the spot.
00;36;04;08 - 00;36;04;13
Hannah Cugle
It's.
00;36;04;13 - 00;36;05;14
Rob Lee
Like the wasabi chips.
00;36;05;14 - 00;36;05;23
Hannah Cugle
Yeah.
00;36;05;26 - 00;36;12;06
Yeah, I guess. Will that filter anger in there. Will do those three. But those are, those are a solid three to me personally.
00;36;12;06 - 00;36;17;00
Rob Lee
I can't believe you think. Right. You. Oh, my gosh. It's just I was expecting so much better from you.
00;36;18;01 - 00;36;22;29
Hannah Cugle
Oh, that is great.
00;36;22;29 - 00;36;40;08
Rob Lee
Truly to find. I have like some of the original cards because like, I think it like first came over the U.S. when I was like maybe a teenager. So it's just like I have like one of the books with the cards and there is like a yellow book. Pikachu is on that. And I'm like, Let's, let's get it, let's go.
00;36;40;20 - 00;36;43;29
I have every thing Pokémon I've ever owned.
00;36;43;29 - 00;37;05;10
Rob Lee
Still nice. Nice. So with that, I didn't think we would have so much like Pokémon Talk here. So with that, I want to thank you for being on this podcast. This has been been a treat and I want to invite and encourage you to share with the listeners where they can check you out, where they can find your social media despite you bet using it regularly.
00;37;05;10 - 00;37;06;11
Rob Lee
But we're going to check you out.
00;37;07;02 - 00;37;34;07
Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much for having me. I am mainly just on Instagram right now. My handle is Kodama. It's just my personal Instagram. I eventually want to make a music one, but we'll see about that. But that is pretty much the only thing I'm on. And I do have one song and a little album on streaming platforms under the name Panic.
00;37;34;23 - 00;37;38;12
And the one single I do have out is called Rosalee.
00;37;38;12 - 00;37;58;05
Rob Lee
So Rosalee well, they have it, folks. I want to again thank Hannah Cugle for coming on to the podcast. I spent a year with your boy Rob Lee, and I am Rob Lee saying that, you know, Baltimore's even in Japan and Baltimore is in Japan, but art creatives and just cool people are in and around your neck of the woods.
00;37;58;05 - 00;38;06;23
Rob Lee
You just got to look for.
